Comments on: Proposition 8 on my mind

By: Staying Away From Prop. 8 - Contra Costa County Votes | Mayor of Concord |Concord Headlines

Sun, 14 Dec 2008 21:24:57 +0000

[...] supervisors of Contra Costa County had a vote in joining the lawsuits challenging the petition of Proposition 8, the ban on gay marriage. Over 50% of Contra Costa County voted NO in the Novembers [...]

By: Rich Bordner

Rich Bordner — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:55:53 +0000

Koka,

“Why would I want to keep someone from doing what they want as long as no one gets hurt?”

This is a key assumption…many have made convincing (in my mind) arguments that people will be hurt by SSM.

Greg Koukl has a tightly reasoned column explaining things here:
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6553

Rich Bordner’s last blog post..Hmmm?

By: Proposition 8 will not die - The fight Continues | Mayor of Concord |Concord Headlines

Fri, 21 Nov 2008 17:23:17 +0000

[...] 8 is the most controversial ballet measure of 2008. Before the elections I had my own thoughts of Yes or No on Prop 8. People were standing on street corners all hours of the day holding Prop 8 signs, some people had [...]

By: john

john — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:01:47 +0000

The story about the Boston Mass. family is true. I don’t want my kids to learn about gay families and culture. If you don’t think that teaching 5 year olds about the joys of anal sex is dangerous, than I don’t know what your vision of America is. Gay people are not a minority, they are mostly white and very rich. Thats coming from their own mouths. The people’s will was overthrown thats the purpose of prop. 8. If activists judges hadn’t usurped our will and stomped on the constitution this wouldn’t be happening. YES ON 8 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By: Rob

Rob — Sun, 02 Nov 2008 00:21:49 +0000

1) The state will not only condone same-sex marriage, but it will also financially promote same-sex marriage the same way it financially promotes traditional marriage. The laws are designed to do so. Yet why would that be a problem exactly? Why would you be against the promotion of family, and stability among gay folks? Also, wouldn’t the same laws that you haven’t mentioned also require that the state promotes the equivalent of domestic partnerships for same-sex couples? What if opposite-sex couples decide to sue the government and request a domestic partnership for perhaps fewer restrictions on dissolving their union? 2) Ministers will be forced to marry gay people or loose their tax exempt status. False. Religious establishments will always have total control on who they can marry or not, and this is based on the free exercise clause first amendment, because it would cause government to infringe upon religious establishments. Has the Catholic Church ever been successfully sued for refusing to perform a marriage for a divorcee? Even if there was such a successful – and unconstitutional – lawsuit, how exactly is Prop 8 going to prevent churches being forced from performing other types of marriages, for divorcees, interfaith, and even interracial marriage, against their faiths? 3) Judicial tyranny will have had it’s way, paving the road to do this same thing throughout the country. Just like it did with Loving v. Virginia, or Brown v. Board of Education? Wasn’t that a case of ‘judicial tyranny’ against the will of the people? The social conservatives of the time certainly perceived it to be, and some still do. There’s a very good reason for the separation of powers, and why the United-States of America is a constitutional republic, and not a democracy. You personally aren’t forced to recognize any marriage. 4) Marriage as an institution will loose it’s sacred nature and will adopt a purely social and political definition, as has been done in Scandinavia. It will sound the death knell for marriage as it did so there. Has marriage really been in decline in Scandinavia, and due to same-sex marriage? Well on that one it doesn’t simply because none of the Scandinavian countries recognize, or permit to register, same-sex marriages. Only Norway will recognize same-sex marriages starting in January 2009. Still, they do have domestic partnerships for a little while, yet can you show that they’ve caused a decline of marriage with credible information and statistics? Even then they can still call it marriage if they want … just because the books don’t call it that there are no vocabulary police. Why should you care what the government calls them or not? Just because the government calls mercenaries, 'military contractors' when people don't buy into that term doesn't mean they have to respect it.

By: Sunnyvale - yes on prop 8

Sunnyvale - yes on prop 8 — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:53:49 +0000

Man-woman marriage is the only natural way to build families, which in turn builds a society. In the United States, same-sex couples are free to live as they choose. It is dangerous, however, to treat marriage as a “social construct” that is changeable. Husband-wife unions are the basic source of society. Because society is not the source of marriage’s definition, it cannot change the accurate description of marriage by its own will.

By: prop8discussion

prop8discussion — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:36:10 +0000

also this:

1. In Brazil, the senate is considering a law which would imprison anyone for saying homosexuality is wrong:

http://www.tfp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1057

2. This article goes through studies to show:

a. same-gender relationships show statistically higher rates of abuse and violence

b. same-gender relationships (especially long term) have higher rates of disease (including but not limited to AIDS)

c. same-gender couples (on average) do not practice monogamy as part of their relationship (ex: even in committed relationships partners have multiple sex partners). And in places where civil unions or marriage (netherlands) is possible, they are less likely to take advantage of these benefits than heterosexual couples. And when I say less likely i mean by a huge percentage.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02&f=PG03I03

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By: prop8discussion

prop8discussion — Sat, 01 Nov 2008 00:35:41 +0000

While many people have religious arguments for prop 8–there are many social, cultural and legal arguments also.

here are some links that might be interesting:
1. http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/category/legislation-and-social-issues/

2. http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/category/separate-but-equal/

3. http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/category/another-myth-dispelled/
( VoteNoonProp 8 will want to read this one–no fedural rights are granted even if prop 8 passes)
4. http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/category/american-college-of-pediatricians/

5. http://prop8discussion.wordpress.com/category/marriage-and-culture/

sorry, i know that’s a bunch, but it may help people who are really trying to think about the issue from all sides.

my main issue is with kids. Government has never recognized marriage for purposes of expressing “love” it has always been about providing and encouraging stability in its citizens. Children do best with a mom and a dad. There are studies that claim there is no difference–but these have fatal flaws (see #4) mainly that there really is no way we can study the issue because there hasn’t been enough time).
I don’t need a study to tell me however that i needed both a mom and a dad. This isn’t always possible, but the government should encourage it in the ways that it can–mainly offering marriage licenses and tax benefits etc.

Children have a right to a mom and a dad. and I’m not going to take that right away from the. that’s why i voted yes on prop 8! on my absentee ballot!

1. In Brazil, the senate is considering a law which would imprison anyone for saying homosexuality is wrong:

http://www.tfp.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1057

2. This article goes through studies to show:

a. same-gender relationships show statistically higher rates of abuse and violence

b. same-gender relationships (especially long term) have higher rates of disease (including but not limited to AIDS)

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS04C02&f=PG03I03

prop8discussion’s last blog post..Articles you should Right Now

By: Troy Westin

Troy Westin — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:57:34 +0000

This is not just an issue about gays and lesbians. I recommend you read the post at editorial section http://editorialsection.com for another perspective.

Troy Westin’s last blog post..Propostion 8

By: Concord Blogger

Concord Blogger — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:59:34 +0000

Dave0511. Thanks. I didn't realize all of that. Concord Blogger's last blog post..Proposition 8 on my mind

By: davea0511

davea0511 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:56:49 +0000

Let me re-emphasize. if Prop 8 passes GLBT citizens will still be able to pass legislation giving them “civil unions” that provide for them all the legal rights and privileges of unions called “marriages”.

By: davea0511

davea0511 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:52:46 +0000

>Because isnt this what Prop 8 is all about, keeping someone from doing something?

No, not only is that not what Prop 8 is about, it won’t even prevent them from having a private marriage ceremony unrecognized by the state. It merely means the state will not recognize it, neither will the state force people to marry same-sex couples.

If Proposition 8 looses 4 things will happen:

1) The state will not only condone same-sex marriage, but it will also financially promote same-sex marriage the same way it financially promotes traditional marriage. The laws are designed to do so.
2) Ministers will be forced to marry gay people or loose their tax exempt status.
3) Judicial tyranny will have had it’s way, paving the road to do this same thing throughout the country.
4) Marriage as an institution will loose it’s sacred nature and will adopt a purely social and political definition, as has been done in Scandinavia. It will sound the death knell for marriage as it did so there.

If Prop 8 passes, GLBT people can continue to have ceremonies to celebrate their unions, and they will be loved and appreciated as equally valuable members of society. They also will be far more likely to pass legislation toward legally binding unions, with all the same rights and privileges except the term by which the state will recognize it (it won’t be called “marriage” on the books).

Even then they can still call it marriage if they want … just because the books don’t call it that there are no vocabulary police.

By: VOTE NO on PROP 8

VOTE NO on PROP 8 — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 10:08:43 +0000

VOTE NO on PROP 8

Regardless of what Prop 8 supporters say it does in fact take away rights like:
1. Pension plan survivor benefits
2. Guaranteed leave when a family member is ill
3. Long-term care insurance for public employees
4. Tax exemption of inheritance
5. Spousal veteran benefits
6. Ability to not testify against spouse
7. Property tax and home value can be reassessed after death of spouse (meaning taxes can skyrocket)
8. Tax exemption of assets over $11,000 between spouses
9. Shared property
10. Marriage

By: You're stupid

You're stupid — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 05:15:09 +0000

This has nothing to do with walls idiot. Shut up and go hug a tree!

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Fri, 31 Oct 2008 04:46:40 +0000

If one person walked into the state capital and started raving that there fictitious friend didn’t like the color of the walls, and the friend would just go all ballistic if it wasn’t changed right away…That person would be carried off to jail.
But if packs of people and there make believe deities meet once a week they can keep me from being able to share my medical benefits with my girl friend. They can have us harassed at work. We can’t get married, or share each other social security benefits.
All this is because a group of people have a delusion
We will keep on keeping on! Regardless of the stupidity. Education is the only redemption, but Christianity will not point them in that direction.
Peace to all.
Victory on Tuesday